The Rocket

The disorderly house opinion article failed to mention that I told the opinion writer that Slippery Rock Boro is the only university town in western PA out of all of the state owned schools that has a Disorderly House ordinance.He also failed to mention that I told him that the closes thing to this SR ordinance is Indiana,PA has a ordinance called Disorderly Gathering. For that they cite the one person who lives there who had the party. Then the tenant splits the fine with everyone who pays $1.00-2.00 each instead of the $350.00 per person cited and sometimes as much as $20,000.00 per party.Statistics show when there is no local ordinance and the fine money gos to the state instead of a Boro there are very few people ever cited and very few names in the police blotter. The writer also failed to mention that he does not drink unlike the majority of college students of age do. I have talked to many of non students who believe that students need to be punished sometimes but $20,000.00 per party sometimes is no where even close to fair. They do not think that it is in Slippery Rock or SRU best interest considering todays economic climate and the fact that some experts are predicting decline in enrollments at Western Pa state ownerd schools in the future because of declines in high school enrollments,etc.Slippery Rock is alot more known for its excessive Disorderly House fines than some people want to admitt. I was in SR in the off campus housing business in the mid 90's when enrollment dropped from 7,800 to 6,800. Anyone who thinks that SRU can not suffer from a drop in enrollment because of $350.00 fines has never talked to alot of the students who believe that they are not being treated fairly. I told SRU officials in the mid 90's that they were making a mistake by increasing enrollment 30% in 1 year for out of state students. I this time today will say that several people will be sorry if someone does not get this SR area reputation under control in todays economice climate,etc. Hopefully I will not have to say again. "I told you so".

When saying the writer 'does not drink unlike most college students of age', it should be taken into consideration that the writer is not 'of age', meaning he follows the law by not drinking. He shouldn't be played off as an exception.

Who is this 'he' that the first poster on here refers to? Don't the weekly op-eds appear under something to the affect of 'Our View'....meaning it's something like a staff opinion or editorial? Maybe it is a guy (the editor), but the fact that there's no byline means he's calling out someone who may or may not have even actually penned the piece.

Secondly, if students are being deterred from potentially coming to SRU by the fact that they're scared of getting repeated fines for drinking or being at parties, as you claim, where's the problem? Last time I checked, SRU had an unwanted rep as a party school full of drunkards like the ones you're describing. Let the alkys go elsewhere, then, if they don't want to pay the price for 'doing their thing' (READ: breaking the law, most often).

Also, you can lay off the 'today's economic climate' references....sounds about as politician-y as you can get. Has there been a phrase more beaten into the ground in the last 6 months?

As a former IUP student I would like to say that the statement:

"Then the tenant splits the fine with everyone who pays $1.00-2.00 each"

is far from the truth. I was a member of a fraternity there, and every week/weekend we would receive a $500-$1000 dollar fine for each disorderly gathering (usually around $750 depending on the officer). A disorderly gathering, according to IUP police, is 4 or more people. Each time the police came and issued a fine the amount of the fine would raise significantly.

I have never heard of a party where after a fine was received everyone pulled out their wallet. The first thing that always happened was the police made everyone who didn't live there leave the premises. Leaving the residents to pay a large amount of cash.

Please, before you start making assumptions about things research them first. I certainly don't want a mayor who doesn't check his facts. That could end up costing the taxpayers a lot of money in the right circumstance.

I remember living in one of Frank's houses in 93-94 when we got a disorderly house citation for a small party. Frank threatened to evict us because having the 30 people at the party in one of his houses could dirty up his carpets. He let it drop, but he must have had quite a change of attitude since back then.

I remember living in one of Frank's houses back in 93-94 when we got popped with a disorderly house citation. He was pretty livid with us not the police or the borough. He was threatening eviction because having 30 people in one of his houses could dirty up his carpets.

Plain Talk About the Constitutional Right to Party

My opponent's claim that the Borough is abusing students' constitutional rights to party is absurd and I suspect he knows it.
1. The First Amendment guarantees your right to party. Here's what it says, in its entirety:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The right to assemble obviously includes the right to party! The Borough can't take it away from you, from me, from anyone. Let's hear it for the Constitution.

2. But what does the First Amendment mean by "peaceably to assemble?" In the context of Thomas Jefferson's time – and ours - two readings make sense:
(a) assembly without fear of inter-ference by others, including interference by a government acting without due process; and
(b) gathering lawfully, that is, for a lawful purpose AND behaving lawfully during and right after the gathering.

Both meanings were surely on Jefferson's mind when he drafted The Bill of Rights. If there's anything he feared more than the excesses of absolute monarchs it was anarchy – the absence of government. All of us, governments and partygoers alike, must give attention to both meanings.

3. Federal, state and municipal laws in America correctly place limits on what governments and the people can do when we assemble. The government can't stop us from walking up an open public street with our friends, but it can require that we stay on the sidewalk or punish us if we scream obscenities or trash mail boxes along the way. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously said we're not free to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre unless, of course, there's a fire.

4. Slippery Rock Borough's Disorderly House Ordinance is nothing more than this community's constitutionally-protected attempt to secure its Domestic Tranquility. The Ordinance prohibits exactly the same social misbehavior that Pennsylvania's criminal code forbids, but (unlike the Crimes Code) leaves no criminal record to show up on a background check for the person convicted of an offense – a real break for those whose careers might be wrecked by a conviction for a misdemeanor before they finish college.

So, when you – and everybody at your party - party peaceably in the Borough, that is, within the constraints of the laws, there will be no interference from the Slippery Rock Police Department.

What Mr. Monteleone wants student voters to believe is that as Mayor he will stop the police from enforcing the law and repeal the Disorderly House ordinance - neither of which the Mayor has the power to do.

A vote for me - a retired SRU faculty member, by the way - in the Municipal Election Nov. 3 is completely consistent with everyone's right to peaceably assemble for parties and other lawful purposes in the Borough.

I was at a party in a off campus appartment at indiana pa university it got busted by there boro police.
There was only 1 fine wrote to the guy who rented the place in the amount of $300. Each one of us pitched in a few $ 1's and $ 5's afterwards. $350 for each person is consider stealing by SR boro as far as im consiren.How can the SR boro police in got conscious write 10-20 $350 per person fines.
Why is it that none of the other college towns have anything like Slippery Rock. There must be a reason. How can mayor Ken Harris sleep at night when he knows how hard students work in the summer for there money.The boro can make more money in a couple of hours in one night from students for disorderly house then one SRU student could make in 4 summers total working 80 hr weeks. This is not right an something needs to be done about this.

Regardless of what fine we pay for a Disorderly House, it beats a Underage and the loss of license, criminal history and either our car insurance or parents car insurance going up. I have dealt with the borough police and they are fair, and leniant! I got one in lieu of a retail theft which saved me big time and saved my career as a theft would have killed me. The SRPD use this for others things besides underage! From what I understand Monteleone is going to get rid of the Disorderly House. If he becomes mayor and does so, many of us are gonna be worse off thats for sure! For those that are voting, use your heads, This ordinance may save you someday!

I talked to several SRU students yesterday saturday october 24th. They are most all in agreement that this is all about the money. They believe my proposal for a fact finding meeting on Disorderly House is a excellent start. They would like to have the ordinance reviewed, language changed, take out the parts that are unconstitutional and have it changed to a Disorderly Gathering ordinance so that only one fine is wrote like most all other college towns. One SRU student said that in Maryland they use fire codes to controll crowds and a small fine is issued to 1 person. One fellow said perhaps the the name of the ordinance can stay the same and they can use it when they really want to cut someone slack.Perhaps this could be used for other things like a SRU student who did theft,etc and if all parties involved are agreeable cut them slack and reduce the charge.The SRU students do not want a wide net cast over a social gathering to catch as many $300.00 fines as possible. I am confident that if we get people from all sides,including non student SR residents who live beside students at a table to discuss this matter we will get something that everyone can live with. I have negoitiated many matters in my life where everyone walked away satisfied and remained friends. I also lived for 12 years at 654 S Main St Apt 111 in a 33 unit building that I owned and built for college students. I had the SRU students as my neighbors. Prior to me selling it in 1995 no one can say that the building was not one of the most controlled places in the area. I know when to take it to the next level if there is a out of controll type group or person. I never in my 20 years as a student housing owner did not give a group fair warnings and I never found a group that I could not get under control for their own good. I always gave anyone chances to tone it down. Out of the 5,000 plus students that I had I can count on one hand the bad ones. Bonnie and I were just talking about all of the fun times that we had with them at S Main. Most SRU students are some of the nicest people anyone could ever meet. They do so much charity work and never get much credit.I say thank you for everyting including all of the millions of dollars that they pump into the area. Lets work with them.

Why is the issue about money? We the students save either way. I just looked up online line through a state web site and an underage can cost you in the vicinity of $425.00! That does not include the license suspension and criminal history and car insurance rising! Give up about the money, and give some better reasons why this guy wants to be mayor! Mr. Monteleone, where do you live at, maybe we shoud party in a house beside your every weekend and then we will see how you want the police to handle it!

Disorderly House dont sound bad after reading this!


Know the underage drinking laws


The Spring 1988 enactment of the Underage Drinking laws by the Pennsylvania Legislature substantially increases your potential liability if you purchase, possess, transport or consume liquor or beer. The liquor or beer (malt beverages) must contain more than .50 percent of alcohol by volume. A first offense carries a fine up to $300 and/or a sentence up to 90 days in jail AND an automatic 90-day suspension of your driver's license. A second offense increases the fine uptp $500 and/or up to one year in jail AND a 1-year suspension of your driver's license. Subsequent offenses will result in similar fines and/or jail sentences but increase the driver's license suspension to two years. If you misrepresent your age in order to obtain alcohol or beer, you will also be subject to these penalities. Carrying a false identification card, obtaining or attempting to obtain alcohol by using a false I.D.card or using another person's I.D.card will also result in similar penalties. Also, under the new law, you could be adjudicated delinquent and be fined an additional $500. Students should also know that the police are now required to notify your parents or guardians of any arrest for these violations.

Stiff fines and penalties will also be imposed upon anyone convicted of furnishing alcohol to anyone under 21 years of age. "Furnishing alcohol" also includes allowing minors to possess alcohol or property owned or controlled by the person charged. A first offense will result in a minimum $1,000 fine but could be as much as $2,500 and/or up to one year in jail. If you request or induce a minor to purchase alcohol for you from any licensed dealer, you could be convicted and fined not less than $300 up to $2,500 and/or sentenced up to one year in jail.

Frank has it wrong again. His proposal for a fact- finding meeting and negotiation on what he insists (without support or even argument) is the unconstitutionality of the Borough's Disorderly House Ordinance has the sound of someone trying hard to be reasonable. But it's not the ways laws are made or enforced, not at the national nor local levels. It's as if we dealt with the problem of retail theft by leaving the cops and the videotape and the courts out of the picture and negotiating a compromise with the store owners and the shoplifters: "Pay us half of what the marked price is and you can keep as much stuff as you can fit under your coat on the way out of the store."

Laws governing social misbehavior are written by legislative bodies. Those bodies may consult with the affected public and even with experts in misbehavior, but the laws that emerge are never written in collaboration with, and certainly not to please, those most likely to misbehave.

Remember always: It's not happiness and celebration, not parties the Ordinance prohibits. It's noise that reaches into the neighbors' bedrooms, it's destruction of the neighbors' (or the landlord's)
property, it's disorderly conduct (peeing or vomiting, knocking over garbage cans, etc.) - things no reasonable community should have to put up with, just so that "students (or non-students)can just be students."

Frank has been attending Borough Council meetings regularly since he made up his mind to run for the office he's seeking. He knows there's an opportunity to sign up for public input at every meeting where he could bring what he says are his concerns to the people who could make a real difference: the Council. But since he announced his candidacy, he's been sitting there in silence, clearly unhappy about something, but totally unengaged in the real work of making democracy work. (I'm not making this up; ask nearly anyone who's been there.)

Last week, two weeks before the election, he let a University professor be his mouthpiece for issues he claims to be passionate about: the Disorderly House Ordinance and the possible loss of free parking spaces on two public streets during snow season. Nothing but a grumpy silence from Mr. Monteleone.

Frank wants student voters to think he's an advocate for changes they'd like to see - but when the real rubber met the real road, he didn't make it to the track.

There's a Budget meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, at 7:00 pm, where once again the public - which of course includes Mr. Monteleone - has a terrific opportunity to become a constructive participant in a process which, if he becomes the Mayor, will establish the budget for his first year in office. He hasn't made any of the budget meetings yet - which tells us a lot about his real priorities. I challenge him to be there Tuesday - and to speak up.

We signed a lease today with 3 SRU students for the May to May 2010/11 school year. We had a discussion about Disorderly House. One fellow never got a DH citation.One got 1 and the other got 2. This is 3 DH between 2 people. These 3 students presently live in SR Boro. I would be glad to have a meeting with anyone or a group and invite these fellows. Mayor Ken Harris and his fuzzy math says 2% of students get cited. How nice to use 2% of all students counting the students who live in the township, where there is no Disorderly House ordinance,and the ones who commute.The real numbers are a little over 1000 students live in the Boro and about 200 people get cited per year. I have been all over this town and have talked to many of students and non students. I have not talked to anyone who thinks that casting a net over a group of students and having a $5,000-$20,000 payday is appropiate. The non students trust that I will be involed in keeping good order in this town one way or the other if I am elected mayor. They have my cell phone and know they can call me day, evenings or in the middle of the night if need be. I have been talking to citizens including students about their concerns and issues. None of them said the present mayor ever asked them their input. I think it is a little late to be seeking input after 8 years in office but perhaps the mayor should be out trying to find out what is really going on. I think people should do their own polls and seek comment from people on the street. How come the Mayor has not went around talking to residents to see how they really feel. I talked to a SRU student on sunday who said that she did not believe in online polls or posting of comments by anonymous or first name people. She said Kentucky Representative Tim Couch filed a bill to make anonymous postings online illegal.She said you have to hit the streets and look eye to eye with people to get a good feel for what is going on. Mr Mayor how about grabbing a couple of SRU students who can be there to write down comments and hit the streets,knock on doors of your choice and visit students and townspeople so if you get re elected you'll have a feel for what all people are thinking and talking about on all matters. Look these people in the eye. I'll bet you a Bobs Sub or a breakfast at the Camelot that it will not take you long to get a good feel for what the majority of students and non students are saying and feeling about matters. The loss of parking on 2 streets for the winter is a very small part of the parking problem. Some SRU students walk almost a mile sometimes to class after finding a parking spot. I know. I have had many of them come in my office crying asking if they can park in my lot for the day. I have been up and down the streets talking to people. Perhaps the mayor should also ask people when he gos door to door,"Did Frank come here and ask you your suggestions,concerns and comments? Perhaps he will then not make anymore comments such as " Frank wants student voters to think he's an advocate for changes they'd like to see just to get thier vote." Most students are not registered to vote. Out of the approximately 200 registered student voters in the Boro there will only be about a 5% turnout of all registered students in a off year local election.This would only be say 10 students that vote total. My advise to Ken Harris if I was his campaign mananger would be you better quit using all of your energy on student issues and go see some other voters too. Hopefully they will not think he is only after thier vote as Ken would say after 8 years of not asking them questions. I wanted to add that as I walked the streets the past couple of months I did not see any pee stains or vomit. I would also like to say that I was at a SGA meeting on campus telling students some of the concers that were brought to my attention when a SGA senator at this meeting told all of us his experience about a Disorderly House charge he got that he fought and won. He was just standing outside of a place. Not peeing,vomiting or knocking garbage cans over. Notice Ken Harris has not made any comments on the fact that Slippery Rock is the only university town in western pa with a ordinance like this and the large amount of monies it brings in. What is he going to say now? Is he going to say again this ordinance is to cut people slack but then say afterwards this ordinance is for people who pee and vomit all over the place. I would not trade this experience as a mayor candidate for a trip around the world. It has been interesting and at times full of humor.

Being a student here at Slippery Rock University, I know how students are taken advantage of. Regardless if the law says underage drinking is illegal or not it is going to happen. So the boro decides to make a large amount of cash off of this ordinance. I feel as though I cannot have a good time with my friends without being targeted and have a dollar sign stamped on my forehead. Another point is that is a huge money maker and we still do not have a 24-hour police service available to those who live in the boro. Not only that but the township takes advantage of the boro's services whenever need be. Disorderly houses are not only given to underage students either. I know students who are of age have gotten in trouble for having a party of all of age students and was still given the citation because they had a gathering. Students are also being given these citations on the streets of the boro for just walking from one place to another. Without the students here then this town would not be as developed as it is so do not take advantage of the students. They are here to have gain an education and every once in a while when they are overwhelmed with work to do, they reserve the right too.

I graduated from Slippery Rock University Last December. I attended my fair share of parties. I do not see the problem however of the Slippery Rock Borough Police Department fining students for Disorderly House. Perhaps these students need to calm down, not play their music so loud as to disturb neighbors, not get trashed and yell, and disturb the peace.

Again as a student it would be pretty annoying to have my neighbors constantly causing ruckus if I were to be sleeping, studying, etc. Perhaps high fines, $350, make a good deterrent to the person fined to either avoid out of control situations which, who knows, could lead to avoiding such high fines.

If this Disorderly House is a great revenue source for Borough police then why get rid of it? do you want them to start enforcing parking violations more often, fining the other citizens of Slippery Rock for menial offenses more often, like how Grove City police will consistently fine you for parking in your driveway because you have a van that covers the sidewalk from 2-6a.m. when so many people are walking on the sidewalk (Their solution is to dig up your backyard and extend your driveway)?

If you would rather have the borough lose funding and then rely on state police then I will assume it will have to be taxed by the state to pay State troopers salaries for the extra work created, when the state is already having money trouble.

If these students can afford the luxury of the alcohol usually involved in these disorderly house offenses then they can come up with the money to pay the fines. Fines don't have to be paid all at once, they can set up payment plans. $20-50, isn't that a case of decent beer or two? Besides, as the article states, Disorderly House offenses would be a breeze compared to an underage that comes with it's own fine of I would assume a similar amount, takes away your driver's license, and remains on your PenDot/Criminal record.

I know it sounds like the "Fun" Thing to do but wanting to get rid of an ordinance, especially one that has been manageable for 29 years does not seem like the responsible action.

I graduated from Slippery Rock University Last December. I attended my fair share of parties. I do not see the problem however of the Slippery Rock Borough Police Department fining students for Disorderly House. Perhaps these students need to calm down, not play their music so loud as to disturb neighbors, not get trashed and yell, and disturb the peace.

Again as a student it would be pretty annoying to have my neighbors constantly causing ruckus if I were to be sleeping, studying, etc. Perhaps high fines, $350, make a good deterrent to the person fined to either avoid out of control situations which, who knows, could lead to avoiding such high fines.

If this Disorderly House is a great revenue source for Borough police then why get rid of it? do you want them to start enforcing parking violations more often, fining the other citizens of Slippery Rock for menial offenses more often, like how Grove City police will consistently fine you for parking in your driveway because you have a van that covers the sidewalk from 2-6a.m. when so many people are walking on the sidewalk (Their solution is to dig up your backyard and extend your driveway)?

If you would rather have the borough lose funding and then rely on state police then I will assume it will have to be taxed by the state to pay State troopers salaries for the extra work created, when the state is already having money trouble.

If these students can afford the luxury of the alcohol usually involved in these disorderly house offenses then they can come up with the money to pay the fines. Fines don't have to be paid all at once, they can set up payment plans. $20-50, isn't that a case of decent beer or two? Besides, as the article states, Disorderly House offenses would be a breeze compared to an underage that comes with it's own fine of I would assume a similar amount, takes away your driver's license, and remains on your PenDot/Criminal record.

I know it sounds like the "Fun" Thing to do but wanting to get rid of an ordinance, especially one that has been manageable for 29 years does not seem like the responsible action.

I do not want this guy as mayor. All his concern seems to be is the students and leading them falsely to believe that he will stop them from being issued Disorderly Houses. He cannot do that as mayor, although I say get rid of Disorderly House and start giving these kids the criminal records they deserve, how's that sound to you students? The chaos the students cause to property and peace in the neighborhood must come to a stop! The police try to be fair with the kids which I believe is fine but, I feel there needs to be more enforcement in town. Also, why is it our borough's responsibility to provide parking for SRU students? Is that not the Universities problem to solve. I see numerous parking spaces on campus that are available daily, the problem is that kids now a days are too lazy to arrive a bit earlier and walk to where they need to go. TO ME IT SEEMS MONTELEONE BEING A LANDLORD IN TOWN WITH OVER 30 PROPERTIES IS JUST BEING DESPERATE AND TRYING TO GAIN THIS POSITION TO BETTER HIMSELF NOT THE TOWN! I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYTHING AS A RESIDENT THAT WOULD MAKE ME VOTE FOR HIM AS MY MAYOR! I SEE A LOT OF VACANT HOUSES IN TOWN AND ONES THAT ARE DETERIORATING! I WONDER IF THESE NICE, NEW, CLEAN AND NICELY EQUIPPED APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE DRAWING STUDENTS AWAY FROM TOWN LIVING NOT THE POLICE, DISORDERLY HOUSES OR PARKING.........GIVE US SOME BETTER REASONS WHY YOU ARE RUNNING FOR MAYOR!

I remember when I went to the Rock some guys had to do some repair work for Monteleone, and repair some holes in their walls before moving out...When they did this work they buried fish in the walls and sealed them...That place smelled horrible...That was funny.

I just noticed a news story in the onlinerocket about the budget meeting this evening. Ken Harris could have easily spoke up and said I requested and challenged Frank to come tonight so lets give him a couple of minutes and listen to his ideas. I was the only Boro taxpayer at the meeting so if I talk my normal 2-3 minutes maximum everyone gets home 2-3 minutes later than what they would have. Why would Dave Miller council president do this? Was he afraid that I may have a good plan that would make Borough Council and the mayor look bad? Did they have a secret meeting in the side office a few minutes before the meeting and decide this? I have several witness who say they frequently meet off to the side prior to meetings. No more than a couple of council members ar permitted to meet without the public being there unless it is a announced executive session. Perhaps the Rocket reporters noticed a side meeting of 3 or more? Most everyones car was there but only Ken Harris was in the meeting room insted of the side room.All I could was several bodies in the side room. Be sure to read the story on theonlinerocket.com. Go to the news section and look up the story about the budget meeting dated 10-27-09. They did a good job writing the facts.

What a joke this is becoming...... Get over the Disorderly House stuff and move on to more pressing issues that will better the community! It dont matter whether the kids get Disorderly Houses or Underages, the law is the law and they are breaking it. Just because a student has a bad day at school does not give him immunity from the law to go out and drink when they are not of legal age to do so! If I have a bad day at work, does that give me a valid excuse to go out and burn my place of employement down? NOPE! If Monteleone and Harris got in to a heated debate about issues that will make a difference in this town, maybe something good would come out of it! Get over the Disorderly House and parking that is not the towns problem to solve and lets hear what else you want to do!

So....one of the major landlords (Monteleone) in Slippery Rock is running for mayor and is concerned about removing a law that potentially impacts a large % of his clientele.... WOW - that screams conflict of interest!!

I hope SRU students that plan to vote in next week's borough election are smart enough to understand that the position of mayor has no power to either change or enforce ordinances.

Furthermore, I would ask students if they really want a mayor like Mr. Monteleone, who write letters to 'The Rocket' using botched grammer like, "...so that only one fine is wrote like other college towns..." and "...How come the Mayor has not went around talking to residents..."

Finally, the American satirist H. L. Mencken famously defined democray as "the theory that people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." Food for thought, in my opinion, considering Mr. Monteleone's command of the English language.

I talked to several SRU students and business owners yesterday and today. Most everyone including the business owners would love to attend a fact finding meeting on Disorderly House. Several business owners are having a tough go of it. They understand that everytime a $350.00 fine is paid that they could have been one of the ones who could have put that money through their cash registers instead of Slippery Rock Borough. Several business owners said that they never see the police and they thought that perhaps the police could make extra revenues by being more visable catching people running stop signs and speeding,etc like most other towns do. They said 90% of fines income is from Disorderly House and they need to get away from 90% and work harder at the things they do not get the big paydays from.I have been kicking proposals around after talking to many people. Several students and business owners believe a $50.00 to $75.00 fine per person if majority of all parties agree to keep the Disorderly House Ordinance after any unconstitutional parts are amended. Several people also still believe the name should be changed to Disorderly HousGathering and only one fine written. Yes the mayor can not do this on his own but he can propose, gain support and push this through easily with strong support from people who believe this is wrong. The Boro could still make a couple of thousand dollars per night sometimes This way the SRU administration and Boro officials could say we really care about our students and we do not want to see them get hit so hard financially but they have to understand that they can not run wild. Other ideas that came up are to have something that deals with places that may be considered frequent offenders. Warnings for the 1st time were high on the list too. It is amazing when you bring discussions up with anyone on any subject how much you can learn and how many different ideas people have. I feel when everyone is done discussing this matter at a meeting that there will be many people saying lets compromise on this and quit hitting these SRU students so hard. Why would anyone including the existing mayor not want to meet to discuss someting so important to SRU students. Where has Ken been? Has anyone seen him? Did he enjoy the "Monteleone For Mayor" lolly pop I gave him at the meeting he invited me to? I have extras. Lets have a no obligation meeting on this ASAP and get somthing finalized that everyone can live with. Everything is negoitable when reasonable people are involved. Lets hear it from the people who love the students as they say

Your average person does not consider a anonymous posting. That is why Kentucky Rep. Tim Couch would like to make them illegal. I have been out talking to several people. Sometimes people are not home,etc. I would be glad to come and visit anyone to discuss issues. Everyone is welcome. It is always nice to talk to people about issues. Both sides always have a chance of learning something. I look forward to hearing from the person above.

Speaking of lying and not revealing the truth, Monteleone, where do you live? A $300,000 house in Slippery ROck Township. You registered through the county as living at 522 South Main Street, you tell everyone you live in Towers Hall. Why would one give up the beautiful house they have to move in to a one bedroom apartment that you have to share a bathroom with everyone else? If you a willing to lie and mislead people to gain the mayor's position, what will you do when you get in to office? People in the community know this along with your neighbors in the township.

Why not put together a last minute debate between the two candidates so we all in person can ask questions and get them answered? I say Sunday or Monday evening would be great............. LETS DO IT!

There is a constitutional forum tomorrow, October 31, 2009 in Harmony, PA - Featured Speaker Sheriff Richard Mack. CHECK IT OUT!
http://www.sheriffmack.com/docs/10-31-2009_Sheriff_Mack_Flyer.pdf

Dear citizens of the borough I urge you to look into this canidate, MONTeLEONE. Mr. Monteleone does not live in the borough of Slippery Rock. Monteleone is claiming he does because he is upset because students are renting more attractive properties like The Heights and The Ivy. Election Fraud is a very serious crime and I hope he knows what he is getting into. The ethics commision states that it will be up to him to prove his residency not anyone else. If you students would rather have criminal charges than an ordinace violation please vote for Monteleone.
Remember who is the one making money of the students here. MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL

An 8 year old kid stated while they were tricker treating that Monteleone paid her 5 dollars and free candy to wear his election sign while she walked the Borough Streets. My question is how many other people is he paying to vote for him or maybe giving them a break on rent. I smell a rat WHERE DO YOU LIVE FRANKY THE BOROUGH OR THE TOWNSHIP?
YOUR NEIGHBORS STATE TOWNSHIP WHY IS THAT?
SINCE WE ALL LIKE TO QUOTE OUT OF THE DICTIONARY HERE IS THE DEFINITION OF A lie (also called prevarication) is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others.

I would like to thank everyone who has helped with my campaign. I would also like to thank all of those who have added some humor into this. Candidates need some of this after days of working hard.

Are you happy Mr.Montleone you now know my name. I am not afraid to share it with you. You say you talk to people all the time and sometimes people arent home.
I see you pass my home numerous times a day going and coming from your HOME in Arrowhead. Yes I know it is your home your vehicles are parked there night and day. You may have yourself convinced that we all believe you live in the Boro. but we all realy know better. This is why I ask how your ethics are. It is very unethical to lie about where you reside when running for public office. Also My husband is home everyday and you have never stopped and he is a life time res. of the boro. Your signs are green and white the colors of SRU and all of them are in the yards of student rentals not in the yards of lifetime res. Everything you talk about centers around students and the university. Where do your concerns lie with the University students or the long time tax paying residents of Slippery Rock Boro. are you running for Mayor of the town of Slippery Rock or the Mayor of SRU. I know the university is part of the town but it takes care of itself. YOU need to be concerned with the town of SR if you want to be Mayor and you also need to reside in the town. You are apparently just desparate and are going after the student vote. Though in realality you are NOT looking out for their best interest either. You want them cited for a greater charge and to mess with thier school because they could be suspended with an underage charge. When the police go into these parties they are called by Residents and sometimes other students who are being bothered by loud noise. They are working and looking out for the people of this town and doing the job they are being paid for. It sounds like you dont want them to do thier job and you have no concern with keeping our town safe and pleasant the way it should be. The students do have a right to have a party if they want they just have to do it within the guidlines of the LAW. Just like you and I have to! So no Mr. Montleone I will not be voting for you I have ETHICS and will not vote for someone who is unethically running for office.

Jody I would be more than glad to come and talk to you and your husband about borough issues and other matters. Let me know ASAP

Monteleone,

Why will you not post a response to the questioning of where you live? People in the boro know, your neighbors in the township know. Shouldn't the students you are giving rides to the poll on your bus know? Yes, the general area is known as Slippery Rock, within this general area you have Slippery Rock Township and Slippery Rock Borough. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS! This is just like trying to get Obama to give up his real birth certificate, he will never cooperate even though many know the truth!!

Dear Anonymous Keep the humor coming. For anyone who wants to know I live in Slippery Rock Borough. A house that I own in Slippery Rock Twp has been for sale for over a year. It is listed with Howard Hanna Real Estate. Did everyone see tonights Butler Eagle page 6 story about "Bill targeting party hosts ripped by ACLU." The American Civil Liberties Union said in a letter to State College that the proposed "nuisance gathering ordinance" slated for a hearing tonight runs roughshod over and through well established constitutional rights." If it is approved,the organization will entertain requests to challenge it in court,the ACLU letter said. State College council president Elizabeth Goreham said that the organization's stand "casts a shadow over that ordinance and we really need to look for another way - this is apparently not the way" The ACLU said there are several problems with these type of ordinances.

Why would all these people that live in the boro and township make up these lies about where you live? People who live by you see you come home at night and leave in the morning and have done so since you decided to run for mayor! This Disorderly House issue is horrible. What you are going to accomplish will not help anyone! The police will stop writing ordinance violations and just go by state laws and write criminal citations. If this happens, how well do you think these students are going to like you then? Why ruin a thing that benefits both sides here?

You still have not answered the question......WHERE DO YOU LIVE? 522 South Main Street, Towers Hall or Arrowhead Drive?

Why is your main focus of becoming the mayor to help the students? What about all the residents who have to deal with their property being destroyed and stolen, being woke up in the middle of the night by loud parties and kids screaming walking down the street? You really need to worry about the towns people who are here to stay and not the kids who are only here for four years and leave! '

These students are adults and should act like it. If they break the law, they should be adult enough to take the punishment that comes with it. If these kids keep getting slaps on the wrist and have people like you sticking up for them, what is going to happen to them in real life when you are not there to "serve them?"

OK, STATE COLLEGE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH........

ACLU CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATE LAWS FOR UNDERAGE DRINKING, FURNISHING ALCOHOL TO MINORS, RETAIL THEFT, PUBLIC DRUNKENNESS, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, ETC....

GET RID OF THE ORDINANCE AND WRITE THE CRIMES THESE KIDS DESERVE!

I say the police should go by the books and ruin alot of peoples lives.....Lets make SRU known as a school where criminals come from! Now that looks good for prospective students and to the parents are paying for it!

Me Id much rather be known for being a party school and where kids get a slap on the wrist ordinance for breaking the law!

Frank must of had his lunch money taken away from him when he was in school. He is just trying to stir up trouble like always. He was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and doesn't know any other way to act. When your own neighbors say you still live in arrowhead, they obviously don't like you either. Please move far away Frank so we can have our Mayor that is full of integrity, KEN HARRIS. You could possibly move to washington D.C. They except lies there.

Hey Frank I was just beating on your apartment door at towers and you didn't answer, where are you? The security guard said that you pay your rent there but he has never seen you enter your room to sleep. He said "its just a joke because Frank Monteleone doesn't live here and everyone knows it". I ask him if I could film him stating this and he agreed. He said he don't like you either Frank for being deceptive. This is going to make great press real soon.

To students who are voting and residents alike, When voting, take the time to look into both candidates and their backgrounds. What are the goals of each and will they benefit the community? Vote for who will truly be honest, supportive and loyal to the town and its permanent residents who will be here for many years to come. Do the students make this community thrive, sure it does to an extent. The student population brings alot of good to the town, until after the sun goes down and the booze starts flowing. Be responsible with the parties and respect the "regular" citizens of the borough! As far as targeting the students goes, that had to have been the most untruthful comments made. It was stated out of 300 plus people arrested or cited by borough police, 173 were students. Lets look at the big picture......... 173 students arrested or cited out of a student population of 8600, those to me are good numbers. I am sure if the police really wanted to crack down on things, that number could be much higher! To that I say, Students have fun and enjoy college life responsibly and legally, and to the borough police, keep up the good work!

Mr. Montleone,
There you go just keep lying. Ive been to the house you claim as your residence on Main St. the only people living there are students. The house has even been inspected and there is NO sign of you living there. I have also been past your home in Arrowhead. yes there is a for sale sign but you can and do live in a home that is for sale. Your vehicles are there night and day. Don't tell us you live in the boro we know better. Everyone but the students know and now they know also. You talk about how you talk to the students about issues of the boro. I have over the years spoke with students also and alot claim you rip them off when renting apartments to them. You continue to charge for damages to your property and never fix these damages and charge new tenants over and over again for the same repairs. Is this true I don't know but I do know you don't have a very good reputation among the students now you want to have them charged for a greater charge. Are you on their side I think not. You only seem to be on your side you are out for your best interest what ever that maybe no one is sure. You may think this is humerous but the voters DO NOT. So Good luck in the Vote and be prepared to prove your Residency prior to and after the election. The Proper people will be looking into it.

Dont you think somebody running for public office would dress up a little bit? Sweat pants, come on.

I've heard from several poll observers that Frankie's voter bus was all but empty. We can only hope...

This ordinance is ridiculous. As someone who is over 21 I say if you're going to keep it then refine it. Go ahead and give the people under 21 an underage, or disorderly, I don't care. But I was 22 when I received my disorderly house OFF CAMPUS mind you. How is that fair? Bourough police are just out to make money to pay for their red benches and spring flower bulbs. Glad I paid the price as someone of legal drinking age just to help them spruce up the place. I don't agree with the running candidate fully, but it's about time someone brings up this issue.